30th June 2007

Walther P88 Compact

Walther P88 Compact
Walther P88 Compact
One of Carl Walther’s most recent additions to their handgun line is a compact version of their P-88 service auto. The latter is the latest autopistol design of this famous German arms company, which has produced several classic handguns over the years. One of the best-known Walther pistols is, of course, the P.38, which was the first full-caliber double-action auto pistol to gain universal acceptance.The Walther P-88 is actually radically different from the P.38 and has none of its design characteristics. For a start, it uses Browning’s tilting barrel design to lock its action during firing, instead of the P.38’s wedge-type system. Secondly, it has a dual-purpose control lever that is mounted in the frame above the trigger that is both a slide stop and hammer-lowering device. This control lever is on both sides of the frame, which makes the pistol fully ambidextrous. The P.38 has a separate slide stop and slide-mounted hammer-lowering safety, neither of which are ambidextrous. The P-88 also has a firing pin lock and its magazine catch is of the button type, which is in the usual position just behind the trigger on the left side of the frame. The R38’s magazine catch is located in the bottom rear part of its grip.

The new P-88 Compact has a 3 1/4-inch barrel that gives it an overall length of 7 1/8 inches. This makes it 1 1/4 inch shorter than the full-size P-88. The pistol’s height has also been slightly reduced, which cuts its magazine capacity by one round to 14. This can be increased to 15 when the chamber is also loaded. The Compact P-88’s overall weight when empty is 28 ounces.

The P-88 Compact has also had some significant design changes, apparently to make it less bulky. The ambidextrous dual-purpose control lever has been dispensed with and replaced with a separate slide stop and a hammer-lowering safety. The former is located in the usual position on the left side of the frame just the trigger. The safety is ambidextrous and mounted on the rear of the slide. The barrel locking lever is, however, the same as that of the full-size P-88. It is positioned on the left side of the frame, just forward of the slide stop.

In all other respects, the P-88 compact is the same as its bigger brother. Its sights are fixed, with the rear drift-adjustable for windage. Like most modern service auto pistols, it has the three-dot aiming system for shooting in low-light conditions. Finish is matte blue metal surfaces, with the slide sides polished and black plastic checkered grips.

The inclusion of a slide-mounted safety makes the P-88 Compact operate and function pretty much like the old P.38. Depressing the safety drops the hammer and disconnects the trigger until manually released. It is therefore possible to apply the safety before loading so that the pistol will be in the double-action mode after cycling the slide to chamber a round.

The procedure for disassembling the compact model for cleaning and maintenance is the same as for the full-size P-88. First apply the safety, remove the magazine and pull back the slide to check that the chamber is empty. Then rotate the barrel catch down in a clockwise direction and pull the slide off the frame. All that remains to be done is to remove the mainspring assembly, and then the barrel and stripping is complete. The pistol is assembled in reverse order.

All Walther pistols are imported into this country by lnterarms in Virginia, which sent me a P-88 Compact for evaluation. It came in a cardboard box with an instruction manual, cleaning rod and spare magazine. The pistol displayed the usual high quality of fit and finish that Walther is renowned for. Its single-action trigger pull was crisp, requiring just over 6 pounds of pressure to drop the hammer. Its double-action trigger pull of just under 12 pounds was nice and smooth.

As far as looks go, the P-88 Compact is, in my opinion, a far nicer-looking pistol than the full-size model, which has a blocky, angular appearance.

I used a variety of factory 9mm ammunition to evaluate the P-88 Compact. This consisted of Federal 124-grain FMC, Hornady 147-grain JHP XTP, Pro Load 124-grain JHP +P, Remington 115-grain FMC, Remington 115-grain JHP and Remington 147-grain JHP subsonic.

The pistol was first shot for accuracy from a seated benchrest at 25 yards using my Millett Benchmaster rest. Its best performance was with the Remington 147-grain JHP subsonic ammunition, which produced an amazingly tight 1 1/8-inch group. The next best group of 2 1/2 inches was with the Federal 124-grain FMJ, followed by the Pro Load 124- grain JHP +P, which measured 2 13/16 inches. The Hornady 147-grain JHP XTP produced a 3 1/8-inch group, while the remaining loads both shot groups measuring 3 3/8 inches.

I found that the P-88 Compact had very nice handling qualities when I put it through its paces on the combat range. The grips were very comfortable and enabled me to easily engage the trigger when in the double-action mode. The pistol also pointed very well for me, and I was able to reach and manipulate all of its controls without having to change my grip. The sights were clear and easy to pick up when the pistol was brought quickly into aim.

When shooting fast two-shot strings from 5 back to 20 yards, it kept all but one of its shots within the 10-ring of a B27 combat silhouette center. During this exercise, I was able to make the transition from the long, heavy double-action trigger to the lighter single-action pull quickly without any great loss of accuracy.

I did some fast close-quarters shooting, drawing the pistol from a holster under a coat. For this exercise, I used a Michaels of Oregon “Side Bet” belt slide holster. This is a universal holster that fits most handguns and is constructed of Cordura nylon. One of the nice features is that it has a securing strap that is both adjustable and also detachable.

After a little practice, I was drawing the pistol smoothly and getting off a fast, accurate shot. The excellent grips of the pistol enabled me to get a full hold, while their good pointing qualities ensured the sights were invariably on target the moment I got the pistol up to eye level.

When it came to reliability, I experienced two cases of the slide not going fully forward during the early early of the accuracy evaluation. No other problems were experienced, and in the combat evaluation the pistol digested all of the ammunition that I shot in it. The two malfunctions experienced during the accuracy evaluation may have been caused by the bottom of the slide coming in contact with my Benchmaster rest.

You don’t see too many Walther pistols in gun shops in this country, which is probably due to their high cost. This is unfortunate, because Walther makes fine handguns. The P-88 Compact is a good example, proving to be a very accurate, reliable pistol with excellent shooting characteristics. Its compact size makes it easy to conceal and an ideal companion to the full-size P-88 service pistol.

by David W. Arnold
First published in the October 1993 edition of Guns & Ammo

88 Compact Specifications

Action type Locked-breech, double action
Caliber 9×19mm
Capacity 14+1
Overall length 7 1/8 inches (181mm)
Barrel length 3 3/4 inches (95.3mm)
Weight 29 ounces
Finish Blue
Sights 3-dot, adjustable rear
Grips Black checkered plastic


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30th June 2007

Walther PPS. Gallery.

PPS 9mm - First Edition
PPS 9mm - First Edition
PPS 9mm
Walther PPS 9mm
Model: PPS
Caliber: 9mm
Length: 6.3″
Height: 4.4″
Width - Frame & Slide: 1.04″
Barrel Length: 3.2″
Sight Radius: 5.4″
Weight (without Mag): 19.4 oz.
Standard Magazine Weight: 1.9 oz.
Action: Striker Fire Action, Pre-Cocked
Trigger Pull: 6.1 lbs.
Frame: Anthracite Polymer

The First Edition Numbered PPS

This is one pistol you’ll hate to conceal. Walther is proud to offer a limited First Edition model of the 9mm PPS pistol. These pistols have their own serial number range from PPS001 to PPS999 and come with all three magazine sizes (6, 7 and 8 round), an anthracite metallic effect on the polymer frame, “First Edition” marked slide, and a custom aluminum case. Order soon, supplies will thin out quickly.

Walther PPS - More Conceal, Less Carry

The Walther Police Pistol Slim (PPS) model narrows the margin between concealment and confidence by packing Walther innovation into an unbelievable 1.04 inch profile. It’s amazing how much professional-grade design actually fits into this lightweight sub-compact. All in all, the PPS embodies both the legendary quality and tradition of innovation that make it not just a great pistol — but a great Walther pistol.

PPS Power - Small Frame, Large Caliber

The PPS has several notable features aimed at better fit and safe performance in its narrow dimensions. From your choice of perfect-fitting backstrap (small or large) to our patented QuickSafe™ innovation, no one packs in the power and features like Walther:

  • Ambidextrous Magazine Release
  • Three Magazine Sizes
  • Loaded Chamber & Cocking Indicators
  • Small & Large Backstrap
  • Trigger Safety
  • Internal Striker Safety
  • Walther QuickSafe™ Safety

9mm Caliber
6 & 7 Round Magazines Included (8 Rounds Available)

.40S&W Caliber
5 & 6 Round Magazines Included (7 Rounds Available)
 

PPS Attraction - Flat Out Better Features

Walther QuickSafe™
Simply remove the QuickSafe™ backstrap — without it the pistol cannot be fired. Walther QuickSafe™ is maximum security made easy.
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30th June 2007

Steyr’s GB; Too Good Too Soon? by Gene Gangarosa, Jr.

Steyr GB
Why do some guns persist for years or decades and make firearms history, while others appear only briefly and then fade into obscurity? That answer might be that the guns that last are good and the ones that don’t are no good, but while this may sometimes be true, in many cases it is not. The factors influencing acceptance or rejection are often more complex than any one simple explanation, and a very good gun may fail for any number of reasons.

Consider the story of the Steyr GB. Steyr-Daimler-Puch, a world-renowned Austrian manufacturer of military and sporting firearms - as well as trucks and heavy machinery - officially introduced this pistol in 1981. However, the GB’s ancestry really dates back to the latter days of World War II, to the gas-delayed operating mechanism of a prototype German assault rifle and to experimental pistols Walther was building that were less expensive to manufacture than the P-38. By 1969, the Austrian government was thinking of replacing its aging collection of P-38 and FN Hi-Power pistols, and they requested that Steyr, Austria’s chief manufacturer of military equipment, develop a new pistol. Steyr studied the late-war German firearms and then painstakingly began developing and testing their own design. The Austrian handgun took the form of a large double-action pistol with an eighteen-shot, double-column magazine. It became known as the “Gas Bremse,’ German for “Gas Brake,” or by the initials GB.

Before Steyr built and marketed the GB design under its own auspices, Les Rogak, a Steyr importer, received in the 1970s a set of manufacturing drawings for the new pistol. Whether he got the plans for publicity purposes to announce Steyr’s upcoming handgun or actually had permission to build the pistol under his own name (the advantage of that arrangement for Steyr being deniability if the gun should fail) is not clear. In any event, he set up a manufacturing firm called L.E.S. or Rogak, Incorporated in Morton Grove, Illinois, and began building the pistol in stainless steel as the Rogak P-18, a reference to the enormous magazine capacity. What resulted was a gun whose troubled history ominously foreshadowed that of the later GB, which it strongly resembled.

Seemingly, the Rogak had a lot going for it. Its advanced design and stainless steel construction, combined with the highest-capacity production magazine available on any automatic pistol seemed to give it great potential for success.

Unfortunately, several factors conspired against the Rogak. First of all, the 9mm Parabellum chambering simply wasn’t that popular in the United States in the late 1970s. This was almost seven years before the U.S. armed forces adopted a 9mm automatic pistol. What limited demand existed for 9mm pistols was adequately served by the Smith & Wesson Model 39 and the various surplus war-era Lugers, P-38s, Radoms, etc. Even those desiring a high-capacity pistol were more likely to buy a Smith & Wesson Model 59 or a Browriing Hi-Power than the futuristic-looking Rogak. Those whose tastes ran to the exotic had the new Beretta Model 92 or even, for a lot more money the SIG P-210 or CZ-76 to choose from.

But what really killed the Rogak was poor workmanship. So bad was its manufacturing quality that the leaky gas delay mechanism did not work. Instead, it was made to work as a simple blowback pistol by the addition of fiber buffers around the barrel. Despite good accuracy, the gun gained a reputation for choking on ammunition and earned the derogatory nickname of “Jammatic.”

Steyr took legal action to halt its manufacture, but even without a lawsuit the gun’s reliability problems would very likely have been all the nails its coffin ever needed. P-18 production ceased in the late 1970s or early 1980s after Rogak, Incorporated had made about 2,300 guns. Not surprisingly Steyr has little good to say about Les Rogak.

Steyr resumed the project, and all further development work on the GB occurred in Austria. Testing continued, with modifications undertaken to correct the Rogak’s deficiencies. The magazine lips were strengthened and thickened to make loading less painful and to improve feeding reliability. A decocking lever replaced the Rogak’s manual safety. The contours of the front sight, muzzle, hammer, and slide stop were all rounded off for easier carry. Steyr also put the magazine release at the rear of the trigger guard instead of at the bottom rear of the grip as in the Rogak. Most importantly the workmanship of the male bushing was improved to enable it to seal the breech during firing, thus achieving the full potential of the braking mechanism. In the only two retrograde steps, the Rogak’s well-contoured rounded trigger guard gave way to a square trigger guard to promote a two-handed hold with the first finger of the support hand on the front edge of the trigger guard, and regular carbon steel replaced the Rogak’s stainless construction.

By 1980 Steyr had finalized the design, so their pistol is sometimes referred to as the “GB-80.” Although it externally resembled the Rogak and was the same size, the redesigned GB had the absolutely superb fit and finish for which Steyr has long been famous.

With a length of 8.5 inches and a 5.3-inch barrel, and weighing about 35 ounces unloaded, the GB was the same size as the Beretta Model 92. Grips were usually checkered black plastic, though some specimens with steel grips have been reported. The gas delay mechanism was interesting, and quite ingenious, as it allowed a strong pistol without the need for a breech-locking mechanism or massive recoil spring. Basically, the GB used some of the expanding powder gases from a fired round to form a counterpressure that delayed the opening of the slide until the bullet exited the barrel, allowing the gases to escape. The gases used to lock the slide came from two holes drilled at the midpoint of the barrel, and vented into a chamber sealed by the barrel bushing. Once chamber pressures decreased to the point where the shooter was not in danger, the slide cycled to the rear, ejecting the spent cartridge, and then forward, chambering the next round from the magazine.

The system used by Steyr was simpler and stronger than comparable mechanisms used in the competing Heckler & Koch P7 series of pistols, as it required no pistons or other moving parts. It also did not appreciably reduce the muzzle velocity and hence the energy, of the 9mm cartridge it fired; in fact, the GB’s muzzle velocities were competitive with those of other modern 9mm pistols. The fixed barrel was attached solidly to the frame and used polygonal rifiing in the bore, both innovations promoting above-average accuracy. The frame was composed of two steel halves welded together, a technique borrowed from wartime German experimentation. Another interesting production shortcut was that the trigger guard, a part integral with the frame in most handguns, was made as a separate piece and then pinned in place. In the earlier design that had led to the Rogak, the frame, including the trigger guard, had been machined as a single piece in the traditional manner. Steyr’s redesign greatly improved and simplified the pistol’s manufacture. The refined gun was simple, functional, and rugged: it used fewer than fifty parts, compared to over seventy for the Beretta Model 92.

The modified GB had a lot going for it when it finally appeared in 1981, after an extended and agonizing research and development phase that had lasted for more than a decade. Steyr had eliminated the reliability problems that killed the Rogak, and they lavished excellent workmanship on the new gun. The company felt that the GB was at least as good as anything else in the slowly-growing 9mm market and should sell well.

But fortune decreed otherwise. The first setback occurred in the 25,000-pistol Austrian government contract, a number established as sufficient to replace the PP, P-38 and Hi-Power pistols in that country’s military and police inventories. The GB was a shoo-in to win this contest until a then-unknown designer named Gaston Glock unveiled his new pistol, the Glock 17, with which Glock won the order in 1983.

Disappointed, and humiliated at being beaten in its native country, Steyr turned next to the United States XM9 military handgun trials. In November, 1983, the U.S. Army published a formal Request for Test Samples, for which Steyr submitted 30 Model GB pistols. The Army conducted the XM9 trials from February through August, 1984, during which time the GB competed against entries from Beretta, Colt, FN, Heckler & Koch, SIG Sauer, Smith & Wesson, and Walther. The M9 contract called for over 315,000 pistols (later increased to almost 500,000), and would have put Steyr solidly on the map with its first military centerfire pistol since the legendary Steyr-Hahn of 1912.

But this happy outcome was not to be. Although the GB won high marks from its American examiners for its good handling and its accuracy and had already seen some use by members of Special Forces, its reliability in this testing series was less than that of the control weapon, the M1911A1. This shortcoming caused the Army to eliminate it from the competition on May 4, 1984, and Beretta’s Model 92SB-F went on to win.

With the GB’s loss of two important military trials, Steyr realized that the GB, despite police sales to Pakistan and Lebanon, and some unofficial use as an individual weapon by police officers in other places, was not generating sufficient sales in the extremely competitive military and police service gun market. Consequently, Steyr made increased efforts to sell the GB to civilians, and from 1983 on they widely advertised it in the United States and Europe. Over the next few years, the GB became a popular pistol among civilian shooters. Several gun dealers have told me that they had no trouble selling these big guns. One dealer in particular liked the GB a great deal, owned one himself, and sold about a dozen of them.

Then Steyr, which had stayed with the GB throughout its protracted development period, decided in 1986 to discontinue the pistol. The main problem with the GB was not mechanical, but marketing. Without a firm contract for a large number of pistols from a well-established customer, preferably a major police department or military force, the company did not feel that it could commit enough resources to the gun to build it economically. Civilian sales were welcome, but were too fickle and variable to plan on.

The last straw for the GB came when Steyr informed Gun South, the U.S. distributor, that the price would have to be raised by about $150 to recover costs incurred in developing the pistol and to make it economically viable. Gun South felt that the GB would not sell in the United States at close to $700. Steyr soon concurred, and decided to drop the pistol. However, Gun South continued importing GBs for two years after production ceased, receiving their final shipment of 633 pistols on November 25, 1988.

A late advertisement for the GB appeared in the fall of 1988 in the 1989 edition of the Sportman’s Gun Annual. This listed the GB at $595 suggested retail, a price identical to that of the Beretta Model 92F, while the SIG P226 retailed at the time for $780. Neither Beretta nor SIG was having any trouble selling pistols to the American public, and neither, perhaps, would Steyr, bad they been more patient. On the other hand, both Beretta and SIG bad received U.S. arrned forces approval and the SIG P226, while not being ordered by the military, was enjoying a tremendous quantity of police business, in addition to strong civilian sales. In contrast, the GBs inability to secure a passing score in government testing seriously hurt it in the fierce competition for official orders. The GB was also hurt by its association with the failed Rogak and, perhaps, by its unconventional appearance.

Despite the GB’s woes, the pistol received almost unanimous praise from some very discriminating users-the gun writers who reviewed it. From 1981 on, Wiley Clapp, Joe Poyer, Pete Dickey, J.B. Wood, Massad Ayoob and others all spoke highly of the GB’s features, performance, and quality of workmanship. Their comments included such statements as: “one of the best shooting, most versatile handguns made in 9mmP chambering … a delight to shoot… a likable gun” (Clapp); “everyone who shot the pistol remarked on the mild recoil … the grip is contoured in such a manner that it cuddles nicely into your hand … the GB functioned flawlessly” (Poyer); “superb quality … more than 300 rounds of assorted 9mm ammunition was run through the Steyr with accuracy and comfort to the shooter. There were no malfunctions of any kind” (Dickey); “excellent” (Ayoob); “superb” (Wood). These are the words of men who make their living using guns, and their praise indicates that the GB is indeed a fine pistol.

A rare negative view of the GB was expressed by Rene Smeets, a Belgian gun writer highly regarded in Europe. Co-writing Great Combat Handguns with Leroy Thompson in 1987, Smeets acknowledged the GB as “very accurate indeed,” but described it as “enormous” and “bulky,” and added, “range tests suggest that the GB-80 is not a success … the handling of the GB-80 came as an unpleasant surprise… the handling qualities of the big Steyr pistol not only negate its accuracy but also reduce its value as a combat weapon.” But Smeets was definitely of a minority opinion here, and in the same book he spoke favorably of the handling of Beretta’s Model 92SB, a gun of almost identical dimensions to the GB.

Modern features abounded on the GB, which was ahead of its time. It is a gun that could still sell today in terms of what it has to offer, and is by no means outdated. A partial list of its desirable features follows: a spring-loaded decocking lever which safely lowers the hammer onto a loaded chamber and then returns to the fire position, leaving the pistol ready for an instantaneous first shot; double-action trigger mechanism; firing pin lock that remains in place until the trigger reaches its rearward travel; three-dot luminous sighting system; a flxed barrel promoting above-average accuracy; double-column, eighteen-round magazine (more than any otber production Wondernine, although the Ram-Line company makes aftermarket eighteen-round magazines for several popular fifteen-shot 9mm pistols); chrome-lined, polygonally-rifled barrel; steel frame; virtually indestructible finish; and smooth, rounded contours throughout, even on the sights and operating controls. It gives many the impression that it is a bigger gun than it actually is; the reality is that the GB, while large, is extraordinarily well-engineered for easy handling. No heavier or bulkier than the Beretta Model 92, it offers competitive features and handling with three extra shots and a steel, not alloy, frame.

Estimates of total GB production vary. Steyr gives “about 15,000″ as the number, while Gun South estimates from serial numbers of pistols received in the United States that the final production approached 20,000. Gun South revealed to me that the company received thousands of letters of protest upon Steyr’s decision to drop the pistol, indicating that the GB was building a large following among civilians at the time it was discontinued.

It is difficult to fault Steyr for discontinuing an unprofitable gun. In 1986, they could not have foreseen that the 9mm market in the United States was on the verge of an enormous expansion after the Beretta’s military acceptance. But while Steyr’s underestimation of the American 9mm market following the Beretta’s marketing coup is understandable, less understandable is the way that Steyr missed some valuable earlier opportunities to market the GB.

For example, in the early ’80s the company built several prototype models of a single-action target version that did very well in European and American IPSC matches. Due to the GB’s gas-delayed recoil design, the pistol was especially well suited to the fitting of a compensator. Yet Steyr chose to ignore this rich advertising field, contenting themselves with making small numbers of a lengthened barrel/compensator assembly that could be added to a standard GB pistol by substituting it for the standard muzzle bushing. Steyr also made experimental machine-pistol versions with extended magazines and a three-shot burst capability; Beretta successfully markets a similar weapon, the Model 93R, modeled after their Model 92 pistol, to police and paramilitary forces, but Steyr took their design no further. Alternate calibers might have been a possibility also, adapting the GB’s excellent gas-braking mechanism to other cartridges.

Discriminating shooters today recognize that the GB, despite its unhappy history and untimely end, was and remains a fine combat handgun. While many owners are holding onto theirs in hopes of the gun becoming a collector’s piece, the GB shoots too well to let it sit unused in its box. It is incredibly accurate for a combat pistol. Recoil is low, thanks to the gas delay mechanism and the ample weight of the pistol. And reliability is not generally a problem with a variety of hollowpoint and jacketed ammunition, though cast lead bullets cause gas port fouling after several hundred rounds.

From a collector’s standpoint, the GB is an interesting pistol, as it is rather rare, there are several distinct variations, and prices are quite low. The Rogak P-18 was made in two variations, with the standard finish model selling in 1991 for about $350 and the high-polish variation for about $400. Getting to the true GB, the military variation, the last model available in the United States in 1987-1988, sold in 1991 for about $450 in mint condition. Only 937 of these military GBs were imported into the United States. They had dull, smooth epoxy-finished frames and a Parkeiized slide, and some may have had metal trigger guards. Their appearance was unattractive, a gray-green reminiscent of late Nazi-era Mauser-Werke “Gray Ghost” P-38s. I once owned one of these late GBs and found it to be plagued with unreliable feeding, though that may not be true of this variation in general.

The commercial model GB is by far the most common, with several thousand still extant. There were two variations of markings on the commercial guns imported into the United States. Early guns (examples noted in the P 3000 serial number range) had the importer given as “Secaucus N.J.” stamped on the left slide flat. Mid-production versions, including my own, seirial number P 08501, had the new importer’s mark “Gun South, Inc., Trussv. Al.” stamped on the upper portion of the slide. On the latest guns, the Gun South address was given as “B’ham.” The last models made had a spur hammer instead of a rounded one and a smooth trigger instead of the earlier grooved type. With an improved hammer spring, this version had the best trigger pull of the entire GB line.

The commercial guns had a black epoxy crinkled finish, giving the frame a rough texture that makes the gun easy to hold, while the slide had a high-polish blued finish on the flats and a matte blued surface on the balance of the slide. For a commercial model in mint condition, $525 is Fiestad’s top price listed in the 1991 Blue Book of Gun Values.

The Steyr GB proves that even a well-designed, superbly-built gun with the backing of a world-renowned and experienced firearms manufacturer can fail. Mechanical characteristics aside, political and economic factors also play a major role. The GB was a fine handgun that deserved better fortune than it got. Happily, it is still available used at reasonable prices and is well worth getting, either as a collector’s item or as a good shooter.

Originally published in the 1994 edition of Gun Digest


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30th June 2007

Glock Model 24.

Glock Model 24.

Glock 24 Specifications

Caliber .40 S&W
Action Safe Action (constant double action mode)
Overall length (slide) 8.85 in. (225 mm)
Height, including magazine 5.43 in. (138 mm)
Width 1.18 in. (30 mm)
Barrel length 6.02 in. 153 mm)
Sight radius 8.07 in. (205 mm)
Rifling Hexagonal profile with right-hand twist of one turn in 9.84 in. (250 mm)
Weight, without magazine 26.70 oz. (757 g)
Weight, empty magazine 2.75 oz. (78 g)
Weight, full magazine ~11.46 oz. (~325 g)
Magazine capacity 15 rounds
Standard trigger pull ~4.5 lbs. (~2.0 kg)
Trigger pull length 0.5 in. (12.5 mm)
Number of safeties 3


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30th June 2007

Fierce Competitors: The Glock Long-Slides (17L) by Charles W. Karwan

The Glock Long-Slides (17L).
While the Glock service, compact, and sub-compact pistols are extremely well-known and have built a substantial following, the company’s two long-slide models are known to a smaller, more select group - mostly competitive shooters. Because of their many performance advantages over other pistols, however, these superb handguns deserve a lot more attention.The long-slide pistols I am referring to are the Glock models G17L in 9mm and G24 in .40 S&W. The G24 comes in two variations, the standard G24 and the G24C with compensator ports in the top of the barrel and slide. At one time, the 17L was also available with a compensated barrel, but it has since been discontinued, probably because the muzzle jump of the unported G17L is insignificant.

Compared to Standard Models

These pistols are virtually identical to the standard Glock 9mm G17 and .40 S&W G22 service pistols, except their barrels are 6.02 as opposed to 4.49 inches, and their slides have been lengthened to match. The slides also have windows cut into their top, probably more to reduce weight than for any other reason. However, the window in the G24C’s slide allows the compensator cuts to vent gas upward. In the 9mm model, the window is predictably larger than in the .40 since the smaller caliber would require a lighter slide for proper functioning. As a result, when both are empty, the G24 is about three ounces heavier than the G17L and, because of its heavier ammunition, still another two or three ounces heavier when loaded.

There are some other differences between standard and long-slide Glocks. As standard equipment, the long-slides come with an extended magazine release and adjustable rear sight. The former facilitates changing the magazine, which is of critical importance during competition. The long-slide sight has the elevation and windage adjusted by two small screws (a tiny screwdriver is supplied). The elevation mechanism has only four different settings, but they cover most of the typical bullet weights and loads.

The G17L and G24 also differ from other Glocks in that they come equipped with a 3.5 pound connector. The connector and trigger spring control the weight of a Glock pistol’s trigger pull.

Glocks For Competition

Long-slide Glocks were designed for action-type competition, a growing American shooting sport that includes International Practical Shooting Confederation (IPSC), bowling pin, Glock Sport Shooting Foundation (GSSF), falling plate, three gun, NRA Action as well as others. For competition where there’s no power rating, the 9mm G17L has won many times over, thanks to its low recoil and extremely high magazine capacity. When a match involves a power factor, which favors more powerful cartridges, the G24’s .40 S&W chambering makes ‘major’ quite easily Thus, the shooter will get the maximum points for hits. The versatility edge goes to the G24. In matches without a power factor the shooter can use light-recoiling loads and heavier loads otherwise.
The Glock Long-Slides (17L). Target.

The compensated barrel of the G24C definitely cuts down muzzle flip to a significant degree. The heavier and harder kicking the load, the more difference it makes. However, there is no free lunch. The penalty is an increase in muzzle blast and flash, as well as some velocity loss. Also, it’s important to consider the disadvantage inherent with using the compensated barrel in certain competitions. In IPSC and most bowling-pin-type competitions, the uncompensated G24 qualifies as a ’stock gun” or limited class gun, a class that all Glocks do well in. However, the compensated G24 must compete in the “unlimited’ or open class with the multithousand-dollar optically-sighted raceguns of the type used by the professional and semi-professional competitors.

Other Advantages

These long-barreled Glocks have a number of other charms, not the least of which is a more-muzzle-heavy balance. As the G17L is only about 1.5 ounces heavier than the standard G17, this is not as pronounced as with the G24, which is 3.5 ounces heavier than the G22. This extra weight and more-forward balance help steady the gun when it’s shot from the offhand position.

The 1.5-inch-longer sight radius of the long-slides contributes to accuracy in two ways. First, the extra long sight radius exaggerates any sight misalignment, which then allows the shooter to make corrections. Second, because the front sight is farther away from the shooter’s eyes, it appears somewhat narrower. This in turn results in more daylight visible on each side of the front sight blade. The net effect is to make it easier to center the front sight in the rear sight notch. This leads to faster and better shooting.

With my personal specimens and favorite ammunition it’s easy to get groups under 2 inches at 25 yards from a supported position. Indeed, groups under 1.5 inches are fairly common with some loads. Since a 3-inch group at 25 yards is more than adequate for limited class competition, the inherently better accuracy of the long-slide Glocks is delightful.

Higher Velocities

All of the above stated advantages for the long-slide Glocks are more than enough to justify their existence. However, there’s another advantage that comes with these guns. Their longer-than-normal barrels give higher-than-normal velocities with practically every load. You wouldn’t think that a mere 1.5-inch longer barrel would make much of a difference, but it does.

My favorite conventional 9mm combat load is the Cor-Bon 115-grain JHP that’s loaded to a nominal muzzle velocity of 1350 feet per second (fps). In my Glock G17L it delivered a screaming 1502 fps average muzzle velocity. Folks, that leaves the 110-grain .357 Magnum load in the dust and nips closely at the heels of the hot 125-grain magnum load.

My favorite conventional load in .40 S&W is the Cor-Bon 135-grain JHP load, with a velocity of 1300 fps. When this load was fired in my 6-inch-barreled unported G24, it averaged a blistering 1446 fps. This is well over the performance of the hot +P .45 ACP load and matches the velocity of the hot 125-grain .357 load. It’s also ballistically well into full-power 10mm territory.

The longer barrels of the G17L and G24 ballistically turn the 9mm +P into a .357 Magnum and the .40 S&W into a full-power 10mm load. Of course, I fully realize that a higher velocity and energy do not automatically make a bullet more effective. With the .40 S&W 135-grain JHP, however, the very same bullet is used by Cor-Bon in their full-power 10mm ammunition.

With the 9mm cartridge, the G17L’s higher velocities also enable the shooter to get better ballistics out of standard velocity loads. Thus, the shooter can use low-recoiling standard velocity ammunition and still get high-performance +P ballistics. Yet another advantage of the longer barrels is lower muzzle flash and blast - the hotter the load, the more noticeable the difference.

Beyond Competition

While some people would dismiss the Glock G17L and G24 as just competition guns, I do not. Not only do these pistols qualify for personal defense, and law enforcement, they also rank at the top for overall handgun performance, with their only disadvantage being concealed carry. However, for those situations where concealment is not a factor, their performance advantages are many - low muzzle flash, low muzzle blast, long sight radius, superb pointability, forward balance, fast shot recovery, high capacity and higher-than-normal velocity. These qualities place the Glock long-slides in a class by themselves.

Glock 17L Specifications

Caliber 9×19 mm
Action Safe Action (constant double action mode)
Overall length (slide) 8.85 in. (225 mm)
Height, including magazine 5.43 in. (138 mm)
Width 1.18 in. (30 mm)
Barrel length 6.02 in. (153 mm)
Sight radius 8.07 in. (205 mm)
Rifling Hexagonal profile with right-hand twist
of one turn in 9.84 in. (250 mm)
Weight, without magazine 23.63 oz. (670 g)
Weight, empty magazine 2.75 oz. (78 g)
Weight, full magazine ~9.87 oz. (~280 g)
Magazine capacity 17 rounds
Standard trigger pull ~4.5 lbs. (~2.0 kg)
Trigger pull length 0.5 in. (12.5 mm)
Number of safeties 3


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